Speaker 2: This time in conversation with entrepreneur, coach and waterballer Jakob Drachenberg. Welcome to this podcast.

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Speaker 2: So, we're live. Very nice. We're recording. It's starting again. I'm so that it's starting after a short break Today, Jakob Ahnberg is to me. Hello Jakob. Welcome to the next episode of the podcast. I'm thanks for the invitation. Yes, very much. And we have a lot to discuss, I would say. We have a lot in because it is always exciting or especially exciting when people can this primary Wasserball podcast, but also other exciting topics and other exciting professions, orientations, interests or whatever. So I'm really happy that it worked today. And I like you to introduce yourself for the few viewers who might not know you yet. Yes, I'll with the waterball side. I at the OST Potsdam. I times German junior champion as captain in 2004, 2006, 2008. Germany's new European championship U21 and I played with the OST Potsdam. I actually played with 16 regional leagues back And then in the first league B round and then in the first league A group. And then I even played

Speaker 1: That was just a little piece cake. I was also the captain of the men's team Europapokal back which was course for our little club. It Kragujevac back then, against Filipovic. The good left-back played waterball back and we were to against him or get us finished. Then I played one song at Neukölln and then... I was a co-coach of Chugga, then the left-hander got injured then I few games, but I only three times a week, and then it faded And now two years ago we and then for second league, the second East we're Orcas by And whenever it fits, I with it. I against Brandenburg in second division. That's the waterball side. I studied psychology at the HAU in Berlin. In fifth semester I realized that the double burden of performance, psychology and side job at a Berlin investor is quite a lot. and I was confronted with when 23 years that I into a crisis, stress-related burnout, depression, kilos overweight, and that was all part it. And where my passion for the topic of healthy stress management And how can I with stress well now, when it's a skill that's important, but that we never really in school? I did did a training course, took a small loan and started. Almost five years later, are 11 people in the Drachenberg Academy, form stress coaches, I give many lectures for workshops for companies, Daimler Axel Springer, Deutsche Post, Deutsche Bahn, Scout24, Earns and Young etc. They all have stress and need a solution. And that's the professional career. I with my brother Julian Drachenberg.

Speaker 1: who also at the OEC and then played three years at Bedding, a waterball brother line in our family. Yes, but you all the performances that we have lot of lot of a lot of points But that the whole thing maybe, as you have explained, a bit based on So this whole interest in what you do now, due to fact of the sport or the performance sport itself. And if you say, you are reporting then is the probability that we might in Potsdam with Lahrzen against Potsdam. I think that's on the 19th or so. So it's not that long. So Saturday evening we'll be on

Speaker 2: Exactly, Because Hellas Hildesheim and Lazen are playing the second league, that's how turned out. But as I think, or as we think in retrospect, or from the current observation, a win for both sides. It's just a lot more fun. You see other people and you have a more players on a good level. So I think that's a win-win situation for Adel in that case. where we as a small group from the north might the most Hellas. Right. But then I would say we'll with the waterworks topic, because that's primarily the main topic. And you just said that a of stations and all high and low have been them in Potsdam. And that been, or especially in the past, and so on. How did you or your brother get to Wasserberg? In Potsdam, it's relatively close, maybe a bit because of to school, this sports school that's going on this with direct education, connection points to the Orcas in that case. Was that the No, I was already an adult at I wasn't even in school when it finally out. Our generation was 89-90, the golden generation, where we relatively large of Nationally, and where Potsdam was seen nationally and really took

Speaker 1: I lived with my parents as a child and lived near Potsdam, in a village, about 15 minutes by bus or car. I to football so I to training with my mom. The coach to alcohol around 16.30 p.m. and smoked. He was really high. My mom said, no, we won't And by chance, my best friend, whom I've since second grade, Tobias Lenz, had a brother, or still and brother had already waterball by chance. Because he knew he waterball, that's it is sometimes. And then we just tried and I think was third grade, with waterball. And remember the first trainings were really in the not-swimming pool with Harry Vollbart. the great-grandfather of the OST Potsdam. It was so exhausting and so strange for me. I first few times, but somehow I stayed I can't explain because the reaction would have it's too exhausting. You get yelled and it's strange, you have to perform. But something got me stuck at the start or at ball, in the sense of word. And then it developed relatively quickly. think it two times a week, maybe three times. And then it more more. And I think we trained four to five times a week when we 2004. And then, I still Andre Laube, our coach, sat with us and said, guys, we've every evening. We're doing strength training We to a little to where we train more. And then we up with idea of 6 to 7. And that not with the school, but was simply 5.20am, 6am in the 7am out and 8am the double-hour latein But then there also direct, and there you can a bit of the eifers we had back there we were at high times ten guys at end, 6am on the of twice a week.

Speaker 1: And so we were to balance that. In Duisburg, the toughest competitors or in Ueddingen, or Spandau, something They all had a sports school. That means they could train in of structure, terms system. And we always balanced with crazy actions like twice a week, 6 7. And we the teachers of youth national team, like, I wouldn't do 6 to 7. And we didn't even question that. I and successful is always fun. That's I this And then I always wanted to prove that it's flight. Because then you're now someone to German champion and then happens. That's why I it was really cool that after that, in the 90s, I became German champion again. I'm 89 years and I didn't even play it. Then I became German champion And then I in the A-junior, so 2008. I okay, now I want it again And the ending was very exciting and lost and then somehow we were on the cancellation. And then I thought, okay, now it's no longer and no one-time action and no everyday life, but we had it on. That was the motivation. Yes, but you motivation first. It's a constellation of several good circumstances. What you say, that you a trained group with whom you each well, who can and harmonize And then further ado, some training sessions without grumbling and grumbling. I don't to start now, because everything better. There are more people who than today. Today you to people, children, adults, young people, no matter who, little more. That they all these unforeseen things into account. All these strange training times. That's the But it's nice when there no one-day flights left. There are few examples of that.

Speaker 2: And you're always when time, but as you said, it's always nicer to the success a second or third Yes, totally. I remember a crazy training idea that we had Back then the men's played in second league, when we B-age. And then the end we trained from 17.30 to 19.30, two hours. We a half hour break until 20 o'clock and then another hour half with the men. Because there weren't many they trained once or twice a week. Some with eye-blinkers, three times. But it was clear that they didn't a chance against the young people who train and get and can their focus on the sport because there only school at the And I was also crazy. I thought it At that time, wasn't even question of training three and hours Thursdays. Three and a hours of water, especially. Because, and you have to understand we long time, even in that era, say, only two times a week ball. We only Tuesday, Thursday and Monday, Wednesday and Friday at the airport, the second swimming pool in Potsdam, we a space to swim and that's why we had to all ball time and then we for three and a hours twice a week. But because everyone was it was like... like... I don't know, it was just a great time with the best friends. If I at my best friends now, they're all waterballers. Off to beach. Of because we won and lost together. the training camp and experienced

Speaker 2: Yes, but that's the beauty of the story, And that's actually what everyone with whom I some form, but afterwards, what is afterwards? So in the conversation I and said that there are of course relationships, friendships, yes, or arise that definitely last than maybe a normal friendship, acquaintance or that it somehow goes little deeper or is intense or on and that's how it's been for a while. and then not somehow for some reason then price. So that's I only confirm. It's you. So that's really huge and now also internationally. you don't just each nationally and course are also some connections and acquaintances, friendships that course last much longer and a completely different basis, a basis. That's right. But this training conditions, Andre was already a guest on the podcast, so that's quite good. Let's the whole thing from another perspective. Maybe Andre will what he says from his coaching perspective. But this construct with the school, you already said you didn't really it personally, but how you that? This construct or this cooperation? the of the school and association in general, i.e. the possibilities.

Speaker 1: Yes, I don't a qualified opinion because I didn't really deal I think it makes things easier, if I don't to from 6 to 7, but can from normal, I don't know, 3 to 4 Maybe it's not that important I think a talent that goes and motivated won't in the conditions. So what I've with us now, we took as it is and that's we were successful, because we knew what we invested in. That's the next effect. When it comfortable and easier, although you train you don't the effect of knowing, we're really hard here, extra miles, and I know what I've and now I'm in final and now I to my trophy or the German championship. And that's what I've always noticed, where I've said to myself, have more, you can't do more. And probably when you an uncomfortable system. In all cases, it to performance sports, it's all about physiotherapy, performance diagnostics, etc. BP is nicer when the notes get more problematic, so that coach can a simple step towards teaching And think that's the connection which was not the case was always lucky to a good grade in school. And although I trained I Abit with 1.9. And that was not a hit. But I can imagine It's sometimes the that you think about what's going with school, what's more fun, that the paths get and the agreements. And of course, I the advantage. think even if you a class where no idea, other athletes are there, that you can inspire each other. You go through the crises, talk to each other, benefit from the strategies, the perspectives of other sports. And I think that's very fruitful in the Because you always a little bit if the school, if you're not at the sports school, has an The people always had good understanding. So 80 percent, but there were also teachers who couldn't about it all. And then knew, okay, just have a disadvantage because I can't just read because I'm somehow in the preparation course with the UN National Team

Speaker 1: or with Potsdam in training camp, that just doesn't But that's my conclusion. Hmm. Okay, also, this is, course, also so, so, also, also, also, also, also, also, also, also, also, also, also rapidly into the basement, then someone up and says, maybe once in less or tomorrow evening you have to for the German work. I think that's part the of the matter, I think everyone can But of these advantages that you mentioned, they are of course on hand, but of course always in deviations, I'll say now, there are always different perspectives, viewing angles and the glasses or viewing angle from an older perspective is then a completely different But not less exciting, I would say. But of course, are decisions that you don't for the child, but of course in agreement, so to speak. So you don't for yourself, but from a certain age the person has to for himself, little bit. Or least the opinion is then, accordingly, if he is not 18 yet, then a big part of it. So I want that, I don't that, can I that? Maybe. I know, are there other models with internet or part-time internet or what else is now? Yes, probably not comparable if you say you this school model, there are now, as I different possibilities. is this sports school or sports schools or I love the schools of sports or whatever they are called, then only one model of it or one possibility in combination with this

Speaker 2: Internatsmodell, that's also part It has many advantages, especially that the times can better because you fewer travel times. So not from school, home, from home, food, quickly go back to training, back home. So all these paths are reduced. So I think a big point or big advantage of history. Exactly. When we're at the coach and started with a coach, with the Ogestein from Potsdam, are there any things that you would say, okay, I for my later personal development or for my profession or for my professional life, that can So you don't just something on It's also the that you in-between stories. a certain social behavior, that maybe at home it not delivered or has or that it can't be delivered whatever. That's also about the sport. Are there aspects where you say, I've long run? Yeah, super viele. Also da muss man immer so bisschen aufpassen, wenn man Leistungssport eins zu eins überträgt aufs Leben, dann kann man ja auch Gefahr laufen, dass man zu sehr leistungsorientiert wird. Ich glaube, so die erste wichtige Schutzfunktion, die ich lernen durfte, war zu verstehen, dass Liebe nicht gleich Leistung ist. Der Leistungssport lebt natürlich, dass Leute Leistung bringen, aber wenn ich da meinen eigenen Selbstwert damit verknüpfe und mich selber abwerte. and ask because I a little weakness phase, then it gets difficult when you into a circle I would away, I also with many performance athletes. That's always the biggest trap you step And then also yourself afterwards, who am I without performance? And very quickly and very euphoric and very dramatically and adrenaline-filled like the performance sport can't a career.

Speaker 1: In entrepreneurship you a few elements of have to say. But otherwise it's more a comparison to a performance sport everyday A daily life where I to work and go home Really different. But you asked about the things I take me In any case, desire for the best possible. I think so. So always looking again what is And what we of also, and that's the thing I Potsdam, just again and to a progression. I had the experience from the third league to the European Cup, through for a few years. That also all the factors that into it. some point, the quantity of training was exhausted. We couldn't train That means, then we a chugger, then we got a momentum. Then we had better training conditions. Then we new players, then we made better training situations. or strength training plans or a swimming training camp before means new elements were added and so we got better and better and league to league in the end. this progression, which is also a blessing and at time, a higher, faster mindset is of course good at first. But I have to be not to overdo it because sometimes it's good enough and then can also chill and satisfied and just celebrate because otherwise I'm constantly the mire behind it. I think if you combine it's just great. So satisfaction and a gratitude for everything you've Then the best and also just say, watch out, I'm going to my phases where I need a break, where I can't, where I'm maybe scared or insecure. That's part of it, but I have to question and I'm still hungry to achieve but not from the belief that I'm not enough. There are exactly the two answers. And First, the topic, I'm not enough and I want successful, to feel Or the driver, I can totally appreciate what I have and where I on the but I want to try what works. So one is from the choice, I choose that I a higher goal. And the other is from the drive, it doesn't otherwise, because you're just afraid otherwise. And you you're not enough or you don't enough success, money, know, any other status symbols.

Speaker 1: And that's just the thing that I've on my company's shoulders and I with my brother in our business coachings or I personally in my coachings when I get them, whether I choose or whether I do because I think that's how it. If you at the entrepreneurial development now, then we 2019 to 2020 and 2020 to 2022 we tripled. So, and that's exactly the same game. You can't work yourself but you have to new employees now. You need better systems, better products, better marketing, better advice, smarter decision-making, better understanding more recommendation marketing, customers happier, etc. And that's just ultra exciting. I love now. To see if the amount of energy I put doesn't higher in end, how do I get to the next level? And that's just different way of thinking. Because I don't myself even more because that's sometimes limited. You can't from morning to evening all the time. You can exactly a few months and then it's over. Then the system will say, hey, I have to chill and relax and regenerate. But that's built into in the end. But I don't know if it was already built and then a performance sport or if the performance sport showed that. I think it's always like a psychology, gene-environment correlation. You have a certain predisposition, some are more some are more patient and they hit the system and then happens in in the interaction. And that can also you a little addicted, because that's just great feeling. somewhere, then you the game, then you everyone celebrates you, then you awesome, I want more of it, how can I more of it? You have to even more and you can everything and that's the performance sport is so cool, because you can a swimming time. You can measure how many goals you've how many goals you've how long you've etc. It's the same the We have a of business consultations as customers and are a of former professional athletes who part And it's always the same thing that they're where they their energy and go extra mile. And this realization of I want to achieve and I ask the status quo and know that it's in the end.

Speaker 1: That's the first point, this constant search for further development. Then the second point, clearly leadership at the end. I was always captain. When I out immediately became the youngest captain of first Bundesliga at the OSC. I think there was, I was there at the time, almost 2021, I never had a captain in first Bundesliga, who had a team Because of I told you, the men We were more hobby athletes and we were more professional. The constellation is not because I'm that great, but because the system is in other teams. You five to seven pro players and they are captains. No 20-year-old becomes captain What happened was leadership, means taking taking of the team, being the buffer between the team, the management, the coaches and so on. And also to see how I can lead and how I a team in the end. which I to the Drachmeck Academy. And I always say, eyes to my brother, I can't more than 13 people in the team. Then we to adjust because the water work team only 13 people. That means I 13 people Sure, a few more overhanging players, but they are not so decisive. Leadership included. And in the end, what I have me is this Just diligent. We were damn diligent at the OSC, that's we have to say. And we regular new entrances, whether they from Berlin or from other clubs. And then there a situation where André not in the hall and then sprint was announced and then they what is it now? We have ten. Let's say we ten. And all of no, we only eight. Of course we did because we want on Saturday. And that means being diligent, being disciplined.

Speaker 1: and the commitment to the strength training, the waterball and swimming team. That's I took me and we were trained for That's how we as the OSC in our youth and also with the men, were to balance out that we weren't that good because we didn't that much ball time. That means we could really well and won the thing over the conditions. And think the three things I took me. Plus... ultra viele Erlebnisse jetzt auch reisen und so, Plus die Freundschaften hab ich ja grad schon erzählt.

Speaker 2: Thank you Jakob for watching this This was the first part of the with Jakob Drachenberg. I hope you it interesting insights. Stay tuned for the second episode of the with Jakob. As usual, next week. I hope you will there as See you then. Bye from Hannover.

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