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Speaker 2: So, and welcome to the next episode of the Water Polo Expert Talk Podcast. In second part of my conversation with Peter Röle it's about the upcoming Champions League season with Spandau 04 Berlin and the first contacts with the new coach. I wish you good entertainment in the next half an hour and we'll at end of the episode. Now we already the topic of Champions League because it's not just the Bundesliga, but the Champions League is starting again. These the games you work and you are also working Now there was the draw with the last two qualifiers that came along. Group A is the more tendentially difficult one, I would say. Or, but with group B, Dubrovnik, Proreco, you now, Vaspo, Massey and so on. So that's of not necessarily easier. How do you this elimination for the two groups? Well, everyone up there is a top team. And if you about Marseille, are a French team. It's great team. Dubrovnik is still great team. They lost they other great players, especially from Olympiakos, Perios, who

Speaker 1: You can't everything. With Reco you the title defender, the place. Bucharest is a team where you can we'll to ourselves to say that we can win We have the group with Rotterstein and Belgrade, which nobody really on the plan, but if you the names and stuff. The Serbs say that they even if they different man in Kraguevac and Neubeograd, that they won't be a small bug-file That is possible. And OSC Budapest, which has come that, is a super strong team. I think if we, and that's I mean by the two German teams together, not injury concerns. We can train seriously and in We have a chance to win and points. However, both teams who were in the final should take a step further in of their physical fitness. We both that. We a little more preparation in terms of training partner than Spandau. But in Spandau, you have to four new players into the team. It's a certain change. You three centre-backs and new players into the team. I that out. Of course, it all time. think we Wasburg, Dubrovnik and Belgrade. We had the cup final on weekend, where you can your performance. We'll see how we start there. If we going well, then...

Speaker 1: I that we are definitely good where that eventually lead will show. So we have now, first of at moment we had that in the last year, don't think all, that we all the people on that all the people can at Spandau. Whereby one has say, that not all people are due to different situations, course, top fit. That's of course a handicap, but we're all there And that's the first step. And now it's about working mercilessly and having the strength to keep with the top team. We're at the beginning and I hope that we can well this season. And when you say physicality, mean, that's not for one or the other, but I can already imagine in which direction that goes, but can you explain the backgrounds or the concept of physicality a little bit? Don't we have the two-way behavior like others have or not the physical and physical conditions? No, it's just a question As I we Peter Probovitz in the new coach, the first teacher in the last few from Monday to yesterday. And you could tell that they lot. They asked from the people. You can feel the fatigue in the bodies of the people. It's true that it is means is more on. I think have, especially with the two top clubs, I can't exactly, because I've the training sessions and have never seen

Speaker 1: but especially for the technical requirements for the people, also technical things. In terms of leg training with blockades, with mobility, how do I stand, how do I in the water? I say, earlier when I started to water, we all like a pose. And arms up. Yes, exactly. that has changed, I would say. And that's what would say in Germany, when it to training, that you more on the horizontal level and horizontal level. And our people are that quite well So we have step forward But can we still something? I think so too.

Speaker 1: We have win our games when we are fit and we merciless from the first to the last minute. That's not easy with all these games. or with illness, with injury or something that, that you can't train then you have a deficit. As I said, Spandau has been very strongly This year to any injuries from front to the If we then we will one the other point to Berlin. So injury you wish no one, but of if you can train and play it is of course always more if you no injuries in between and then logically in the game results or also the game of river, to speak. If you say now, maybe you little too late or had such slight Ruck stand so and then lend and was the same it training and be beegy mich and beeing the by non. That is yet another thing. Flee train me so that I don't need to be me it a for going high. It's not to be done on the combat. We that's the positive. I'm seeing it on the club. Not often. It's not on the street. Quite a bit of fun. That's it. It's not even big spieler. Fintan to see that. I'll tell you. And that's done. Fasul to find it. That's it. It's not on the bus in the regional. Yeah. As I it's best to people can

Speaker 2: Maybe you can watch If each team had a goalkeeper coach or someone who able center-back and the center-back, it would difficult for a coach who in the back to say that. You can that. That the group is trained in the center-back, the group is swimming and the others are a different exercise. I can't control I can't with every group. It's about giving during the training and always there and talking. You need more than two eyes because you can't afford And if you have with the water time, you can't the content right time. That's a problem. Exactly. surface and the conditions are one thing. But then the people are really manpower-like. Because we said earlier, there is of man and woman power. So there, as I said, the call again to more positive people to join But what I wanted to say now, maybe it's also a chance. Exactly. do it other sports. I mean, other sports do it too. was a hockey or so. They have been years. Always everything, also from other sports, from other countries and from successful nations. But American football, example. So there is also defense coach, offense coach, coach for I don't know what. So that's the extreme example But maybe you can look a bit on And if you look they're always

Speaker 2: While you're still with a tablet in your hand, you at it what was there and how could I do And where was the mistake in detail? So maybe there's still bit of chance to other sports. I don't think you have to look at We are smart enough to know what we can do. it has be done. has be Someone has to the time for And several people have to to on one thing I'm talking about our new federal coach, Peter Borovic. I didn't to believe He's from... my house.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, individual coach. That is of course illusory and that is not what you really need But that is an extreme example. if we, I'll it would be fantastic if teams or teammates who performance sports and international play, if three people by the that would comfortable. If that could be think that would be absolutely great. I don't think it's in long run. We're in a circle, we need the people who really do And it's no if we all know where it has and what needs to does it. It doesn't And if you say the first training camp with the new federal coach was already lot of work and done. What is your impression? Can you with Hagen? Are they comparable? Are they different types? You would suspect that is a new impulse in what you always say. Yes, so both are completely different people. Hagen has this a long time. He also that he was very successful with the national team. But here, of course, things different.

Speaker 1: They are, of it to tactical things, they certainly not far apart. Because, I say, not every country plays a different tactic. That's, I say, a certain frame in which you But both are, I think, agree that the team must intensively and must train intensively. The physical condition should be improved. They are in with other. They are different But that's normal and a good thing that they are. I say that the coaches are not as exchanged as with football. But Hagen was, after all these years, he said from the And was nothing to the result of this year. He said he would stop his career after For him, of course, a lot that he the time. And now there room for a new man with new ideas. I think he will, because he now completely different possibilities than Hagen, who, as I said, also a businessman and his business, he does it in a way or plans to do in that he naturally changes I traveling and would like to to the various centers and associations in Germany and say who he and what he plans to who is ready to follow him. This is the first and reasonable step to say that you go directly to the associations and ask for help. He his help from the federal coach. I I'll again and then I'll you what I presentation, how I present what I feel And that's basically very comfortable that the people who accept who want can develop So I have, when I think about what I had as a young man as coach for ideas and I I great at it.

Speaker 1: When you new coach and you see new coaches every year, you how you have changed. You new ideas and the big picture becomes more You realize how you change But you need role models or people You have to open to to other things. You can mix it up. You have your own ideas and creative thoughts. But you can good ideas from others and build your own house. That's always the ideal case. If you your own ideas, you your own ideas and then you take other influences and ideas with you and work them. That's the ideal case at the end. It's kind of development. But this this, this, this, this, this cooperation and communication with the clubs. if the from the national coach initiative goes out and is approached that's great. And that would be desired on all levels. So it's not just about the upper Bundesliga area, but maybe also that you think about the national coach

Speaker 2: A little smaller, a club. And many people about it, we need a well-organized idea, strategy or something. And that's exactly what you're saying, that he might say how he trains what training ideas he had, or to game situations and so on and so forth. So in training, to Hans Ong. In principle, it's about adjusting the age the right techniques, how to in the water, the roots for If you, I say, certainly you can say, have 13, 14, 15 year old boys or women, it's course quite the same. and starts working it's much more than they a certain basic movement with them and certain things. yes, I think talked decades, that you always want You know that principle, but still, everyone always their own soup. And I saw that in Berlin, too. say, we Berlin, often, I say, good coach who the first team. I want one out of He a Hungarian episode that only a short time. But many coaches just had to watch and ask questions. Why do that?

Speaker 1: I the feeling, maybe it's gone, but I didn't notice that it looked at. And can such cases. Ausdrücklich erwünscht, genau. Also abgucken ist immer gut. Deswegen finde ich, hält auch diesen, also alleine der Austausch untereinander. Also ich meine, das macht ja auch so, jetzt noch mal auf die letzten paar Wochen zu sprechen zu kommen, auch so eine Fortbildung hält aus irgendwo, dass man sich dann zumindest im letzten von drei Blöcken mal persönlich trifft und dann halt auch die Möglichkeit hat, sich halt auszutauschen. Das ist ja alles ganz toll. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah, For us it's better. So if that is still intensified, think that's what you say yourself, that many people tell and always want this exchange. But that's also where still a approach. So everyone knows that this has to but it's also a point where no really to get or take the initiative, let's put that Yes, you have to, it doesn't what you in life, whether it's sportsman's or another life. You have to with complete conviction and love and have invest. And doesn't from nice words that spoken but actually everything is always by working. It like something is

Speaker 1: That often hurts because it takes and a lot of initiative. I'll that the example is the good Mr Bartels, from the Weitschachs, who the out the ground and, as I incredible number of players for many years. Now a few on top level, many have then lost, because I say the transition. was people and for youth teams, become German youth champions and then continue to get somewhere in the national team. You probably 100 young water players to have one or two who actually top the national team. And others who don't get to have to... And is very important. And that man really a lot of heart and and he has given his life for this to be If you more of people, it would be easier. think there would probably Germany.

Speaker 2: Yeah, If so many people were I would say in different locations, not all in Hannover or in Duisburg or in Berlin, but all over Germany, if these five people together and these opportunities, then would it would look in the future.

Speaker 2: I say that place that is over-reaching or place that is being solved. It's to everywhere. And more of it there is, even in smaller clubs, the more it will up to the so-called training clubs. That you little more there. But yes, the example with the White Sharks and the cooperation with Waspoh is good when the whole thing is so targeted. Speaking of positively knocked out, we have to discuss the good Michael Zelmer, the positively knocked out goalkeeper from the USA. That's another good example where someone his ambitions and his commitment in both hands and it his job. why that in Germany, now in the USA, that has many reasons, but that's also a positive crazy person, who lives it with heart and soul. Well, we two days ago, also with the new federal coach. We said that Michael Ezelma was once the manager of the German waterways national team. I think he was the first one did it right, also with hervstloot, and also very successful. He was also very popular. He unfortunately lost this position afterwards. I don't to go into to how that happened. But I think that was definitely an extreme step back that the DSV or the national team had as they What is phenomenal, what he as I said, his feet. When he to the USA, he didn't even know that it was going to like

Speaker 1: I'm very for him that it worked out. It was fantastic idea. I have to say, I a footballer, who is probably with the current waterball scene. He waterball coach, an Englishman who also women's waterball. had trained national team. An Englishman who for the Scottish water work team came to Germany. He worked with me and we had the of doing some special goalkeeping training But we just to The work we actually had was already so much and it didn't implemented. No what was, maybe we were not very consistent enough this idea. But Michael did in California and I really great. I think we've already in the last episode alienation of alienation of of of of of of of of of of the of the alienation of the the of alienation of the And I would say that in the US the whole society is in a completely different way. And lot of money paid where you are not as flexible But nevertheless, could least another form, where you train goalkeepers or center-backs. center-back and center-back, you have to work because it's a pair that plays against each other. You could think about that. What the new federal coach is what we terms of is going in that direction. He says he goes to the club and helps out the defenders. I think you that many years that definitely

Speaker 1: Almost 20 years ago, Thomas Schönz Hamburg had this idea. I was in Hamburg for a weekend and he up some goalkeepers from But was a one-day thing. You have to more often and have to stick You can't have great success if you such course together. Developing takes more time. more energy to something in there. But approach was good. There are many people who ask me, I don't know, can you make a program for my goalkeeper? Then I say, I can do They me funny. I can't do if I the guy. I have see what kind of person what does he look like? What kind person How does he move in the water? And then you can work Just to say that he should so many meters in this that time and five times and then once the left arm on the back of the and then other hand there. That's nonsense. That doesn't You have to the person. You have to for him individually and see how you work him. That's how I like I try to to the people at and show them that we have a little video with our cell phone. It's so easy And someone it in of their nose and then one or the Whether you with goalkeepers or with others, it's easy. I think it's goal-leading. It faster. to than just explaining to Or if I to a coach how he should something and he should pass on to someone else, that's always difficult.

Speaker 2: If I it a bit, the summary of the last hour is that we need more crazy people. And positively, how should I put it, with the ones to the water ball revolution. To achieve a sustainable, broad-based change. Because I think that's a bit of the tenor now. You need more manpower, more womanpower and more manpower to really get the masses or a larger number of... to to back, because as you said, when I there 14, 15 people and then one group this and one does that, you also from the feedback and the people can only develop on the feedback that you then give and do something else or something better. And if I don't see I can't say and I can't just it three and somehow into all three groups and put cell phones to record doesn't sense Peter, I thank you for the very detailed conversation. I'm happy if we can continue Maybe we'll something. What I very exciting is to with several people. Maybe we that again. Then we can into the group discussions again. something else. Peter, you much. Have a nice evening. You too. See you. Bye. Auf bald! Tschüss!

Speaker 2: Yes, that's episode 48, unfortunately. I hope you enjoyed I some interesting insights from Peter. Thank Peter for the interesting interview. Next week we'll continue with the next interview. As I last week, it's after the official release of

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