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Speaker 1: Welcome to next episode of the Waterpolo Expert Talk Podcast. Today I'm talking to Peter Röle. As you may have from the last episodes, are two parts In first part of conversation I talk to Peter about the current situation of the German Bundesliga and how to back to its old strength. So, have fun in the first part of the with Peter.

Speaker 1: Good, ja, da dann. Herzlich willkommen im Podcast im in der nächsten Episode Wir gehen jetzt hier schon stark auf die auf die 50 zu also was die Episode anzehe angeht also und daher herzlich willkommen nach Berlin Freut mich sehr Thank you. that it worked out and worked out. And yes, I'm today to little bit about the past and how it used how it is today and how we might get back in the direction where we might have been. That's maybe a very exciting aspect in the story. And I'll if you now ... Yes, titles and things you've won or achieved as a player or as functionalist, we probably to another appointment. But maybe for the two or three listeners who really don't know which I don't think, maybe from your side, just a little introduction

Speaker 2: I can't say how often I German championships. don't know. I'm sure it number that was clearly over 10. As a coach, I think I eight times the German championship with Wander.

Speaker 2: The decisive and great experiences were that we won the European Cup four that's was called back then, and it's called Champions League, and two times the European Super Cup. That was huge, But it should that in 1986, in second victory in Zurich in Super Cup, our coach, Alfred Bahlen, in a tragic way, almost lost his he a stroke brain, he couldn't recover and died. It was a very impressive fantastic success, to the time in a row the biggest trophy and lose the coach at it was a tragic moment.

Speaker 2: As I was the Olympics with a bronze medal. It was great. We won at the World Cup twice and also at the World Cup. It was a long time ago. It back and you not satisfied because you more. You thought you have given away even more medals. You couldn't how sensational that for us back And today we are more or less after that to in championships. And that's basically all very, very sad when you it that way. But as I said, was actually a completely different time. Hmm. Yeah. and when you were in completely different time, somehow you didn't in the respective situation, what you had achieved there. You just would you say that today is somehow different? Or would you that for many players or athletes? Or is it really just about time? Or is it of setting That's probably very diverse. Yes, it's not easy to into two three We have, if you look from a perspective, but that's probably also more in Germany, would say that the fall of the Wall in Berlin. Of course, the financial thing was a completely different story. I would say that so many sports in the city and didn't have that kind of feature of waterball anymore. You were in West Berlin at the time, the single team that had such a great success and the support from the public was fantastic back If you think about how we ourselves accordingly. That was great.

Speaker 2: The media society, which has over the last 20 years, We have stopped, of We talk about the sport of but in these times, we a portal where we are moving. to each a little bit. We can now see games that streamed. But that was a long time If you at the last 10, 15 years, that's the case. And we were basically completely disappeared And what I say is really remarkable and not nice about is that you're still about the Berlin era. that the names from the eighties are much more famous than the names the national players from the present time. And that's actually, I'll say, really... You can where you and how you in public. And there you are, even if you it a point partly also we are actually too few people. the for the for the whole tigris I don't mind for dust I'll bet that's very much more than that system and I'm fine. I'm not a son. I'm not a lot of this. This is a lot of this is the only have to mind. I'm not a of the mention. I believe it's just a little. Yeah, so it's a little. I'm not a little sport to try. But they might also be a softening. I'm not a little. I'm not a I'm I'm not I'm not little. not not I'm I say that slow to play, they can still play. It is difficult the past was easy to water. Nowadays you for water. That a huge problem I say that the club's are great people who work hard for the club. But that is not enough to international progress, to work professionally

Speaker 2: that not one coach at the back of team with many players, but have be several coaches that you can train That you train the morning and in the that the players. And that is, from an organization perspective, Germany, in the clubs. It's very difficult. Many are trying, but they don't the conditions or the money to work on a basic level. There is a group of I say. I talked about there is real league In the West Berlin had one or two teams Yes, and that's a small circle that has And when I think about big teams like Red Earth or for years also Hohenlimburg, the Würzburgers are fighting now, they were bit top, but also internationally top, they have basically disappeared. You can many, many other teams, especially in the best area. I said, clubs together to able to play And when the base is getting smaller smaller, It's very difficult to such results to win medals at major championships. We're same phenomenon with the second league. course, there are still couple of levels below but that's basically the same structural problem. That we're Lazen in second East League to play other teams or a real season. Because it's always just the second teams from the first teams that in Bundesliga.

Speaker 1: And that doesn't fun nor can you develop So it's with three or four teams in the north. It's hard to say how to I don't have a real patent solution for to change In the such problems by old players who stopped bass and had and especially the to There are certainly many people who have the but also the desire to to say, I give my free time to develop people, to take of and so on. that of and coach the teams. It's also about the whole thing. You have difficulties getting people who in the fight court. That's way of regenerating. It's at every corner where you say, need people who are ready to work Yeah, and bekloppte in jäger lebenslage sozusagen oder auf jedem level also dann die trainer und die die ehemaligen spieler vielleicht als ein bisschen bescheuert im positiven sinne und dann hat die ganzen randleute eltern und betreuer die sich dann halt auch mal ein schieße an einem protokoll zu schätzen und sich dann da vielleicht mal ein bisschen rein arbeiten und schlau machen also dieses ganze diese ganzen rahmenbedingungen das ganze umfeld da zu bespielen und zu besetzen das ist in der tat not as easy as it few years ago. that's exactly you said, positive idiots. That's there are still the big clubs. So no if you're with Spandau or if that's FASPO or these positive idiots, they keep the thing running, I'll That's probably the

Speaker 2: Yes, and as I said, you about every crazy thing.

Speaker 1: The call for more crazy waterball enthusiasts. I think the topic you mentioned earlier, that you can't public anymore. I that's a very big problem, and I'm big fan of That there all these possibilities, streaming services, and you can something yourself, upload something, everyone becomes a producer. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1: Nothing else was actually the back thought of the podcast. You have to have who do We know what we have to do, but from my point view, it's just that women and manpower I take my time and I do it. Yeah, so the video's awesome. No, you don't want to leave us to tune is here. They're still for the to do list and can I start I'm a student. I'm fine. I'm I'm this is this is my hand that does shiner stand off. Dr. I was a nice GD the the negative I'm going to do the beguiled a shining doesn't that man doesn't say man. I'm this. I'm feeling off to grossing But you may look at my hand this dumb man. Could I make my hand in some other decision? Is it? It has to be teams. Not just one person is great, but you have to form you have a team in a team that waterball, that's great, but the ones who of the team have to in team. I say, common goals and each other and able to time in That's it for now.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's why, let's many former that they are now in situations where they can even more commitment. So no matter if as a coach, as referee or as functional or something else, but as a coach, of course, next, probably, I think. But speaking of positively crazy, I mean, you've been years with a positive crazy, then with the Hagenstamm in Berlin, at many stations and constellations. Now in the duel thoughts, against-hand thoughts, with Sefi also for years and with Seide years, how should I say, maybe constructively dueling. But how would you describe that? Those two crazy people? mean, commonality that they really burn what they do, you can't talk Thank you very What Carsten Seehafer in the last few years, regardless of his personal motivation, is really great for the German waterways. He has many years. Even when I him a tear in We have a few championships, but it's about business and competition. These the most important games you for in season. Even if you lose you still fun and you can focus on It's great.

Speaker 2: Last weekend I the cup championship. The Duisburgers are and showed a decent performance on the weekend. That's nice, Ludwigsburg as the fourth team is very involved in investing. Certainly, the question again when invest too much in an international player and not in your own player. Hmm.

Speaker 2: That's right, but it's also the situation. Of we want to the young players and we want to a better national team that in championships. But that's a process. I think that in Hannover and in Berlin, there's a way to the young people to move and support them, and gain in Champions League pass on to the international team. Lübwigsburg wasn't so quickly. To play they have a of foreign players to to the top. It's a question of how they work to their growth. Lübwigsburg has always done They usually always with... with a foreigners. You have to say that Duisburg have always tried to the German players. Potsdam is also a team that have call, which has tried up They for few years now they third place Germany. We have let's say, this season, probably a bit to fight. It's a bit backwards. But on the hand they well These are teams that need support from the public and they get it. Of course, be more more. But well, they work. I know And how the other clubs that are not mentioned now, want to work Like, I say, from the scope Kerbiko.

Speaker 2: We have difficulties with the arrival and the people have work and they have to study and we don't that time. That's the problem. To create that people have time to train to the performance. My time as a young man, that was our advantage. I the nose was often in We also trained four times in evenings and four times in And that helps, you can definitely say I myself a goalkeeper, but the players who were nominated back then, they sometimes swam faster than the people today. And that also to with the scope. We had advantage with Berlin, because we really good support. Nowadays you that in Potsdam, in Hannover, in Berlin, that you have sports schools, boarding schools where you people, so the young players can twice a day. It works, of there are already some people but it's not so that it everywhere in Germany. And you need just as locations in southern Germany, where, I say, the water supply companies are so numerous. And that is, as I said, always dependent on I this word again because we already talked it. Some crazy people say we are to and we do it. We have ideas and can inspire and take us. then, yes, we to see how it on.

Speaker 1: But this whole thing with the and so on. we already had the topic earlier, how do you connect these young athletes or younger people into this big group of experienced people. And so far I've only received positive feedback, so no who I've talked about it. The last example was Finn Schütze, for example, here in the conversation. who really himself very positively. said that better can't you as young player, that you can only train With people that, who you have around your no matter if it's Spandau or Wasp. Ideally, you can't develop That's right, if the level of training is by the players who are You don't just from the coach, you also from the experienced and good players. You should the input from all sides. And what you feel and feel from your opponents, if they good, you learn least as much from as from the coaches. And the games you said earlier, which have in recent years, if it's about championship, that you don't win games super clearly or with distance, that's going all way down. Nobody cares. They're also on youth level, that games 32-2 go out, that makes little fun and little sense That's a point that very controversially, by the Bundesliga club. We have 16 teams can for German championship. In my opinion, too much. You don't that. I would argue that there is a sixth league, not even eight.

Speaker 2: The others, all should waterball and so on. But as I said, the people, it's important that everyone waterball. But the people who can create professional conditions. I don't to say that the others don't want There are probably very different reasons why it doesn't work. Money is certainly also a huge factor or the main factor, probably. But where you the chance. to in this way. They should with other, with a system that then has found And there is always this discussion that clubs say they would like to our club's You full understanding for that, that's completely right. But it doesn't into this, you can criticize that, international season, what Len and what Fina together play together. Next year there will World Cup and a European Championship. Champions League will played, World Cup will played, we will our championship, our cup. This a tight schedule, a schedule, is unbelievable. And in Germany you need such a big league. If you say the people who can afford and manage to play let's assume the first six teams should play a round, no matter what it looks And the others who can't do even if they want to, they should be able summer round If there no international players to in the teams is not a big deal. If you able to develop further and say we want to bigger and if you succeed, you the option to get and down. That's normal, like in any other sport.

Speaker 1: Is this model similar to the one I think Germany has the biggest league The leagues are different and strong. As I said, the Mediterranean, in the Mediterranean round. There aren't as many teams as Germany. I can understand that. Everyone wants to that we are the first Bundesliga. That's reasonable. Everyone should look in the mirror and should personally determine can I do performance sports? Of I to define what performance sports can I do And do I a real chance, I say, to a goal that I set Or is that maybe too high? And you have to judge I that I'm to Hannover, Berlin or Duisburg or Potsdam I a chance to win or I that. It's bad for the motivation. There are enough teams where you with a team. That's not for everyone, of course. But happens again again. When you say, oh, I don't any prospects, I don't to be I'd rather at That always again again. And that shouldn't be It would if, really, everyone has the chance to beat How do you a Bundesliga Well, it's also difficult to Bayern Munich. But are always surprises where you say, my goodness.

Speaker 2: There was a supposedly better team, not good enough and was someone from a down under. That is hardly possible I would rather say that it's less important. A team like Spandau or Wasburg is having a bad day and the others have a good one. think the difference is still big enough to the game. It be if there were games where you always play That happens in the middle or lower half, that you have close games. That's good. But that doesn't sense to with national players. Because they have already, as already mentioned, and of competition, so much to do that they really don't need Yeah, yeah, good. Oh, and then would imagine here quasi data a bit of a house name, no, in demand. quasi got me in the situation for sets it's only noch 20 people meermachen to missen. man, vielleicht doch mit 12 18. I was in the fit or and then give it. Or the failure title. Demonstration.

Speaker 1: So, that's enough for today's German waterball league interview with Peter. In the next week we with the second part of the conversation and of course I am looking to your participation in And of course I forward to your feedback and your comments if you the links to the podcast with your network. And if you want to support us a supporter, you should stay a few more seconds, because after the music There are a few more informations I'm forward to you. Stay healthy. Bye bye from Hannover.

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